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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 26, 2013 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK plus points

Well, I like how they sound and I personally would like to see them, so of course I don't actually want them to stop. Which I would have said in the 90s, too. (I don't currently "like how they sounded" in the 90s in comparison to the whole shebang of recordings we have now for context, but at the time, rightly or wrongly, I felt they sounded good.)

IMO they should cancel the next couple of gigs. After that they don't play until July. That's two months of R & R, and they need to take it while seriously reevaluating and trying to learn lessons from what happened with Jerry, the rotten way they've historically dealt with problems, yada yada. Not exactly a new idea to them, I'm sure, but all the more reason to take it seriously.

So I don't think "stop" should be the definite prescription, but they definitely need to put that on the table as a real option. I'm assuming Phil's restaurant schtick is his backup plan anyway. And it's not like he couldn't play with Phil and Friends and basically turn it into Furthur Minus Bob. Anyone who wants to play can play, but if Bob's problems aren't just a one-up (which they don't seem to be), they need to get serious about making sure that the Furthur GD "cover band" gravy train doesn't include a "cover" of the sad finale.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 27, 2013 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Love minus Zero points

I wonder how sticky a memory this will be? I have not watched the vid, but I was shown some awful stills (the worst was a seated BW hunched over his guitar, looking down at the floor). The fake Jerry I thought was fairly useless as a musician before, and after reading some of this thread I'm having a tough time not judging him in other ways. I think that is easier b/c with Phil this is fool me twice, the first being Jerry. I don't have the facts so I mostly don't want to add to the cacophony (I've had a few total non-GD folks email me about this which is very unusual), but there are some things that are universal. Somebody collapses and you deal with that as a medical emergency. Lord, when I first saw the stills I thought BW was having a stroke. Thank God he wasn't with the reaction from the fellow human beings around him. Break the damn fourth wall already! It is a dark filter added to Phil's legacy. I hope Bobby is O.K..

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 27, 2013 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Love minus Zero points

My feeling, and that's just me, is that a lot of the anti-fake Jerry reaction is based on what people already think. They don't like him, so he done bad. IMO they all done bad, but Phil's the real leader and he's the one who set the tone.

Well, that was one moment from apparently a long night of Stumblin' Bob. I've read descriptions of the whole show, and it seems this wasn't at all isolated. He was going hell-in-a-bucket on them from the start. What to me is even worse is the complete and utter silence since then.

I can excuse human failings and bad decisions, but I have a really hard time with a calculated policy of being treated like a fool. And I feel that all of us, right now, are being treated like fools and ignored and expected to just dance and shake in Atlantic City and forget it all.

Not cool guys. No one expects full disclosure, but how about a good old-fashioned down-to-earth SOMETHING?